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cancel a vote on the fiscal cliff political disarray stock markets those were how the headlines read today when i came into work but is this just white noise we'll talk about signs of a broken market that go far beyond the day to day news purportedly moving them plus from market scandals to our very own we'll break down what you loved and hated this week and your feedback let's get to today's capital account. well the world didn't end today as some argue the mayan calendar predicted but this millennial error can at least teach us a thing or two about the pitfalls of prediction something fitting given the nature of financial forecasts and also fitting as our guest references it in a small way in his two thousand and twelve year in review he writes this review every december and this year it covers the gamut from broken markets to broke students saddled with more debt than those charging up their credit cards it's out today you can read it chris martenson is web site which is pretty peak prosperity dot com and you can hear him talk about it now on our show because david column is here
cancel a vote on the fiscal cliff political disarray stock markets those were how the headlines read today when i came into work but is this just white noise we'll talk about signs of a broken market that go far beyond the day to day news purportedly moving them plus from market scandals to our very own we'll break down what you loved and hated this week and your feedback let's get to today's capital account. well the world didn't end today as some argue the mayan calendar predicted but this...
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to try to strike a last-minute deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> republicans saying they are will be to work with congress and the president to come to an agreement. yesterday, president obama said job leaders have rejected his proposal to make a comprehensive deal. >> we don't yet see an agreement and now, the pressure is on congress to produce. >> we're willing to work with whoever can help. there is no single issue that remains an impossible sticking point. >> today, senate majority leader harry reid could push for a fallback bill which would only raise taxes on families making $2 other 50á,000 a year or more. that plan would extend unemployment benefits for two million americans. icans. -- on families making $250,000 a year or more. >>> police continue to look for evidence in the murder of a college student. a vigil was held last night at battlefield high school for xavier stringfellow. he was a graduate of the school. he was found stabbed to death friday evening in industry anti. his body was found inside a crashed minivan on a service road off of chain bridge road. police said
to try to strike a last-minute deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> republicans saying they are will be to work with congress and the president to come to an agreement. yesterday, president obama said job leaders have rejected his proposal to make a comprehensive deal. >> we don't yet see an agreement and now, the pressure is on congress to produce. >> we're willing to work with whoever can help. there is no single issue that remains an impossible sticking point. >> today,...
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one of the reasons we are at the fiscal cliff is the republican resolution was under the tacit assumption that they would control the white house, so who cared about everything stacked against them. the main proble w obama ran an absolutely brilliant campaign. republicans had a very weak field, and romney was the best of a very weak field. he himself was a very odd candidate. after the financial crisis, a man essentially of wall street, and a man whose essential issue of the 2010 campaign was obamacare, but he had passed something similar in massachusetts. he had two strikes against him, whichade it very diffilt begins the difficult rigid discipline obama to win. >> i think obama won because republicans underestimated him, and they did it through sell collision that goes back to 2010 when they considered this to be a referendum on barack obama. it was not a referendum on barack obama. it was a referendum on the economy and the incumbent, but not barack obama the person. republicans left the race feeling like this would be a slam-dunk in 2012. they missed the fact that the turnout in 2010
one of the reasons we are at the fiscal cliff is the republican resolution was under the tacit assumption that they would control the white house, so who cared about everything stacked against them. the main proble w obama ran an absolutely brilliant campaign. republicans had a very weak field, and romney was the best of a very weak field. he himself was a very odd candidate. after the financial crisis, a man essentially of wall street, and a man whose essential issue of the 2010 campaign was...
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e of the reasons we were at the fiscal cliff wasas because the republican resolution of the debt crisis of 2011 was under the tacit assumption that they would control the white house who cares about everything stacked ainst them? i think the main cause was obama ran an absolutely brilliant campaign. republicans had a very weak field, and mitt romney was the best of a vy weak field, and he himself was an odd candidate, a given after the financial crisis, a man essentially of wall street, and also a man who was an essential issue of the 2010 campaign, where republicans have succeeded was obamacare but he had had something similar in massachusetts. he had two strikes against him whwhich made it very difficult against the disciplined obama to win. >> i think obama won because the republicans underestimated him anand they did i three -- did it through a litt self delususion that goes back to 2010 when they considered this to be a referendum on barack obama. it was not a referdum on barack obama. it was a referendum on the economy and the incumbentnt, but not barack obama the person. republic
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cliff negotiations but given that he and democrats have put everything they can on the table and republicans still won't compromise what hope is there in striking a deal that doesn't leave the middle class high and dry and later the fuels for newtown connecticut victims may have finally ended but unfortunately funerals for gun victims in america never truly stop another story of a mass shooting and how the n.r.a. is more interested in saving profits than saving lives. and we begin tonight with occupy wall street during the heyday of the occupy movement last year if you were lucky enough to walk through one of the encampments as i was frequently here at occupy d.c. here to see a community built as an example of what our nation should be striving for you would have seen health care provided for free no for profit health insurance leeches looking to squeeze as much money as they can out of family caring for a sick child you also want to see education provided for free and healthy food provided for free and shelter provided for free see when it comes to basic essentials the for profit motive. wa
cliff negotiations but given that he and democrats have put everything they can on the table and republicans still won't compromise what hope is there in striking a deal that doesn't leave the middle class high and dry and later the fuels for newtown connecticut victims may have finally ended but unfortunately funerals for gun victims in america never truly stop another story of a mass shooting and how the n.r.a. is more interested in saving profits than saving lives. and we begin tonight with...
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you say, we, republican are not trying to solve the fiscal cliff. we're trying to solve the debt and deficit. can you explain that? >> sure can. yeah, the white house has been very focused on what do we have to do to just get past the fiscal cliff. let's get over this bump and keep spend and keep going. in the house we're actually trying to solve the debt and deficit. let me illustrate this. we have a trillion dollars in deficit spending last four years. president says let's go back to the clinton levels of taxation. if we went back to the clinton levels of taxation we're still double the highest bush era of deficit spending still because spending was accelerated so much in 2009 and 2010. we're trying to bring the spending levels back down. on the contrary if we just brought the spending levels down to the clinton level spending instead of tax level going up to clinton level of tax it is would solve this. we're trying to solve the debt and deficit. we're trying to say how do we get out of debt. the president is saying let's get past the fiscal cliff
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i think they'll tell you another story. >> fellow republicans discuss the fiscal cliff deal. sheila jackson from texas was in the room with the democrats. she joins me now. congresswoman. happy new year. >> happy new year, chris, to you, and happy new year to mesh. >> well, i know you ducked out of the meeting, but can you give us a sense of what it was like in that room? >> i certainly can. first of all, let me thank president obama and vice president biden working as a team on behalf of the american people and for showing the extent of patience that they've had to show over these last couple of months and certainly since august of 2011. there's about an a great deal of patience, and i think as the meeting has begun with the vice president he was appropriately respectful of how challenging an effort this was, but more importantly, how important this was for the american people and the trust that was given to him by the president and leader reid to engage with jord leader mcconnell who had heretofore, if you will, joined with the chorus of naysayers not wanting to do figure.
i think they'll tell you another story. >> fellow republicans discuss the fiscal cliff deal. sheila jackson from texas was in the room with the democrats. she joins me now. congresswoman. happy new year. >> happy new year, chris, to you, and happy new year to mesh. >> well, i know you ducked out of the meeting, but can you give us a sense of what it was like in that room? >> i certainly can. first of all, let me thank president obama and vice president biden working as a...
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this is one of the problems that faces the fiscal cliff deal. a filibuster could arise. you and jessica were talking about that. the hope for any deal before january 1st is that somehow minority leader mitch mcconnell could convince his troops, convince the republicans not to block it with a filibuster. each individual senator makes up their own mind, each senator has the right to stage a filibuster. so that's not something he can control entirely. a bigger issue, though, i have to edadmit, when you look at senator mcconnell and why he's so important right now is that he needs to bring some republicans on board this deal for a couple reasons. first, they need those republican votes to get anything through the senate. and then second of all, speaker boehner needs some cover, he needs some way to convince republicans in the house that they should pass this deal. conservatives are putting pressure on all sides and republicans in the house want to be to say conservativings in the senate supported this. i can too for the good of the country even though i don't like it. these
this is one of the problems that faces the fiscal cliff deal. a filibuster could arise. you and jessica were talking about that. the hope for any deal before january 1st is that somehow minority leader mitch mcconnell could convince his troops, convince the republicans not to block it with a filibuster. each individual senator makes up their own mind, each senator has the right to stage a filibuster. so that's not something he can control entirely. a bigger issue, though, i have to edadmit,...
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fiscal cliff. he's upset because, quote, the phone never rang. he complains that i have not passed the resolution to pass the fiscal cliff but he's in error. we all know that in july of this year we passed in the senate the relief that would give -- that would give to middle class americans. that passed the senate. now, we know that republicans have buried themselves in procedural road blocks, everything we try to do around here. and now they are saying, well, we can't do the 250 because it wasn't blue-slipped, because it will be blue-slipped. mr. president, how does the american people react to that? there was a bill introduced by the ways and means committee in the house, sandy levin that called for this legislation. the speaker was going to bring it up to kill it but he kobt kill it and then we moved to plan b, the debacle of all debacles. it's the mother of all debacles. that was brought up in an effort to send us something. he couldn't even pass it among the republicans it was so absurd. he me
fiscal cliff. he's upset because, quote, the phone never rang. he complains that i have not passed the resolution to pass the fiscal cliff but he's in error. we all know that in july of this year we passed in the senate the relief that would give -- that would give to middle class americans. that passed the senate. now, we know that republicans have buried themselves in procedural road blocks, everything we try to do around here. and now they are saying, well, we can't do the 250 because it...
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government is going over the fiscal cliff, even as senate republicans and the white house reported progress had been made, but house republicans say they will not vote on anything tonight. good evening. i'm judy woodruff. >> suarez: and i'm ray suarez. on the newshour tonight, we have the latest on today's developments, including an update from todd zwillich of public radio international, who's been tracking the story on the hill. >> woodruff: then, as secretary of state hillary clinton is hospitalized with a blood clot, we examine their causes and possible treatments. >> suarez: margaret warner talks to jonathan martin and glenn thrush of politico. their new e-book focuses on the crucial final month of the presidential race between barack obama and mitt romney. test. >> barack obama didn't perform that well until late and romney didn't perform the campaign well. campaign management is more important than an individual candidate's performance. >> woodruff: from boston, hari sreenivasan reports on a city- wide effort to keep kids engaged in education through meaningful work experiences. >> w
government is going over the fiscal cliff, even as senate republicans and the white house reported progress had been made, but house republicans say they will not vote on anything tonight. good evening. i'm judy woodruff. >> suarez: and i'm ray suarez. on the newshour tonight, we have the latest on today's developments, including an update from todd zwillich of public radio international, who's been tracking the story on the hill. >> woodruff: then, as secretary of state hillary...
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government is going over the fiscal cliff, even as senate republicans and the white house reported progress had been made, but house republicans say they will not vote on anything tonight. good evening. i'm judy woodruff. >> suarez: and i'm ray suarez. on the newshour tonight, we have the latest on today's developments, including an update from todd zwillich of public radio international who's been tracking the story on the hill. >> woodruff: then, as secretary of state hillary clinton is hospitalized with a blood clot, we examine their causes and possible treatments. >> suarez: margaret warner talks to jonathan martin and glenn thrush of politico. their new e-book focuses on the crucial final month of the presidential race between barack obama and mitt romney. test. >> barack obama didn't perform that well until late and romney didn't perform the campaign well. campaign management is more important than an individual candidate's performance. >> woodruff: from boston, hari sreenivasan reports on a city- wide effort to keep kids engaged in education through meaningful work experiences. >> we
government is going over the fiscal cliff, even as senate republicans and the white house reported progress had been made, but house republicans say they will not vote on anything tonight. good evening. i'm judy woodruff. >> suarez: and i'm ray suarez. on the newshour tonight, we have the latest on today's developments, including an update from todd zwillich of public radio international who's been tracking the story on the hill. >> woodruff: then, as secretary of state hillary...
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i am happy republicans are fighting to have a balanced point of view for the fiscal cliff. if the president wants to spend $one. 6 trillion, he should cut the spending by that. it should be 400,000 jobs. people who give us jobs are the people that earn $400,000 and can afford to have a family and pay for employees. i am very grateful for your mentioning the fact he went on 310 campaigns. i was wondering what he was doing when he was not in the office leading. now i understand he was out campaigning. when he does campaign, have you been able to figure out how much he has cost the american taxpayer for the trips he takes? in hawaii, they mentioned he is lazy because he is from hawaii. i am wondering if he spends all his time campaigning. host: it sounds like he might spend time there because it is warmer than washington, d.c. caller: he does not work that much. when he was in chicago in the senate, in the illinois senate, he did not work that hard. he was only marked present. i did not believe that. now i see the way he operates. he does not seem to be doing his job. that is
i am happy republicans are fighting to have a balanced point of view for the fiscal cliff. if the president wants to spend $one. 6 trillion, he should cut the spending by that. it should be 400,000 jobs. people who give us jobs are the people that earn $400,000 and can afford to have a family and pay for employees. i am very grateful for your mentioning the fact he went on 310 campaigns. i was wondering what he was doing when he was not in the office leading. now i understand he was out...
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cliff, that republicans will get the blame? >> well, of course they will. because republicans get blamed if it rains if washington. that shouldn't be the test here, it shouldn't be the consideration. but senator reid has had it within his power since spring to amend the house bill and send it back with whatever changes he wanted. that's what the constitution says. sadly, they've given speeches instead of getting the job done. but nobody, nobody wants taxes to go up on middle class americans. and i hope that everybody works real hard over the weekend. a lot of americans have to work on the weekend. i don't think it's a big deal that we have to work this weekend. >> it's not a big deal and you should all be working this weekend. listen, a few weeks ago it looked like speaker boehner and president obama were pretty close on a grand bargain. maybe not as big as should would hope. it looked like the president was saying, we'll raise that top rate and offer some entitlement reform. social security changes, cpi. some talk of raising t
cliff, that republicans will get the blame? >> well, of course they will. because republicans get blamed if it rains if washington. that shouldn't be the test here, it shouldn't be the consideration. but senator reid has had it within his power since spring to amend the house bill and send it back with whatever changes he wanted. that's what the constitution says. sadly, they've given speeches instead of getting the job done. but nobody, nobody wants taxes to go up on middle class...
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he said if republicans stop they will be to blame for the fiscal cliff. what role do you have in this don't you have to show leadership to break the imabout passe? the president went back to pointing the finger at republicans. take a list. >> speaker boehner and republican leader mcconnell to accept the fact taxes on wealthiest americans should go up a little bit. if folks can't say yes to good offers i have an obligation of the american people to make sure that the entire burden of deficit reduction doesn't fall on seniors who are relying on medicare. >> now, what the president s correct about s that in the negotiations with speaker boehner in recent weeks the president was giving on social security and med did i kay changes that democrats were not excited about but speaker benito walked away -- but speaker boehner walked away from those negotiations. senator mitch mcconnell said in the last couple of days when got a phone call from the president saying let's try to come back to the table and work this out. mcconnell said that is the first time he heard
he said if republicans stop they will be to blame for the fiscal cliff. what role do you have in this don't you have to show leadership to break the imabout passe? the president went back to pointing the finger at republicans. take a list. >> speaker boehner and republican leader mcconnell to accept the fact taxes on wealthiest americans should go up a little bit. if folks can't say yes to good offers i have an obligation of the american people to make sure that the entire burden of...
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if it goes over the fiscal cliff, it will hurt the republicans more. host: thank you for the call. a photograph of the president, cutting short his vacation. leaders were blaming each other for the stalled negotiations just days before tax increases lock in. more from the floor of the senate yesterday, harry reid. [video clip] >> speaker boehner should not have that members go back. they are not here. they are not here. john bennett seems to keep more about keeping his speakership than keeping the nation on firm financial footing. he is waiting until january 3 to get reelected as speaker. he has so many people over there that will not follow what he wants. that is obvious from the debacle that took place last week. host: back to your calls and comments. negotiations resumed at 3:00 p.m. this afternoon at the white house. north carolina on the republican line, good morning. caller: how are you/ i'm doing well -- how are you? the budget as far as the epa, i wonder if that would help cutting the budget, plus cutting entitlement spending. instead of raising taxes and lower deduction, i
if it goes over the fiscal cliff, it will hurt the republicans more. host: thank you for the call. a photograph of the president, cutting short his vacation. leaders were blaming each other for the stalled negotiations just days before tax increases lock in. more from the floor of the senate yesterday, harry reid. [video clip] >> speaker boehner should not have that members go back. they are not here. they are not here. john bennett seems to keep more about keeping his speakership than...
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>> if the fiscal cliff process that he is involved in does not poison his relationship with the republicans in congress, perhaps. but if things get very bad now with the republicans in congress, maybe not. >> o'donnell: joe? >> i think one of the clearest lessons from the last election was the republicans have to begin to deal with the growing latino community in this country, and that there will be plenty of respects ready to vote for immigration reform. >> o'donnell: and, michael, the president always said today he is going to put his full weight behind some gun measures that would keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. can that pass? >> i don't know. one of the most interesting public opinion trends in the last decades is support in america for gun rights and same-sex marriage has increased, about the same rate, about 16 points in about eight years. it's really interesting. >> very libertarian. >> exactly. >> neither democrats or republicans take those tricks there. it's a libertarian streak in the public. that's harder than it was for a few years ago for the president. joe bide
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the republicans begin playing games with the debt ceiling, that would be fiscal suicide. we breakthrough the debt ceiling, we're talking depression. not a quick recession. it would be the single stupidest and most damaging act of sabotage in american history. and it cannot be allowed to happen. and here, hopefully to tell me why it will not happen is alice, who probably knows more about the budget and the budget deals than probably anybody else alive. she's appointed to president obama's national commission on fiscal responsibility and reform. and she's currently a senior fellow at the brookings institution. thank you for being here tonight. >> happy to be here. >> you know much more about this than i do. you heard the intro, is there anything you want to add or correct anyway you see the fiscal cliff that you think people should know about? >> i thought your five points were good ones, especially the one about austerity, what we're talking about now is doing something really stupid as you said, and letting the wrong policies go into effect. too much deficit reduction, to
the republicans begin playing games with the debt ceiling, that would be fiscal suicide. we breakthrough the debt ceiling, we're talking depression. not a quick recession. it would be the single stupidest and most damaging act of sabotage in american history. and it cannot be allowed to happen. and here, hopefully to tell me why it will not happen is alice, who probably knows more about the budget and the budget deals than probably anybody else alive. she's appointed to president obama's...
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cliff deal continued, but house republican leaders opted not to vote on anything tonight. that meant the government will >> the house adjourned for tomorrow so the government is guaranteed to go over the fiscal cliff, at least for the moment. and doctors at a new york hospital announced secretary of state hillary clinton has a blood clot between the school and brain. but they said she's making excellent progress. we're capturing new year's eve celebrations around the world and you can be a part of kwame holman has the details. >> holman: we're tracking instagram with the hashtag "nye" to see how people around the world are ringing in 2013. tag yours tonight to be a part of our interactive map. on "ask larry," our social security sage offers tips on maximizing benefits for you and your spouse. and from our partners at kaiser health news, what the new health care law says about gun ownership. all that and more is on our web site, newshour.pbs.org. ray? >> suarez: and that's the newshour for tonight. on tuesday, we have an update on the ongoing recovery efforts in the devasta
cliff deal continued, but house republican leaders opted not to vote on anything tonight. that meant the government will >> the house adjourned for tomorrow so the government is guaranteed to go over the fiscal cliff, at least for the moment. and doctors at a new york hospital announced secretary of state hillary clinton has a blood clot between the school and brain. but they said she's making excellent progress. we're capturing new year's eve celebrations around the world and you can be...
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now he's got the fiscal cliff. blame the republicans. and the truth is, in the short-term, the g.o.p. gets the blame. and they deserve it a little bit. but in the long-term, things change. stuart: you are a republican strategist. why do you say that republicans deserve some of the blame short-term? >> well, they deserve it the same way everyone in washington deserves it. no one in washington is incentiveized to think about the long-term. everyone is thinking about the short-term. by the way we see this in the private sector as well where companies think about, you know, the next quarter and never think about the long-term. the problem is the government gets to kick this can down the road endlessly and it is our cans they are kicking. stuart: if you are a republican and you see a bad policy coming down the pike at you, and you're supposed to compromise with it, namely, raising tax rates on the rich, should you do that just to get along with the other side? just to get a deal? just to get some compromise? or should you stick with the princ
now he's got the fiscal cliff. blame the republicans. and the truth is, in the short-term, the g.o.p. gets the blame. and they deserve it a little bit. but in the long-term, things change. stuart: you are a republican strategist. why do you say that republicans deserve some of the blame short-term? >> well, they deserve it the same way everyone in washington deserves it. no one in washington is incentiveized to think about the long-term. everyone is thinking about the short-term. by the...
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i'm richard lui, you're watching msnbc's continuing coverage of the fiscal cliff deal. eric cantor emerging from a meeting saying he does not support the senate-passed bill. house speaker bonn janer is not likely to bring the senate bill to the floor without changes is what we're hearing and in a statement boehner's spokesman said the speaker and leader laid out options to the members and listened to feedback. the lack of spending cuts in the senate bill was our universal concern amongst members in today's meetings. conversations will continue throughout the afternoon on the path forward. outgoing republican congressman steven latourette told nbc's luke russert the senate bill did not stand much of a bill in the house. take a listen. >> i think it's a little unreasonable for senator reid to say that something they produced on new year's eve, produced by a bunch of sleep-deprived octogenarians is what we should adopt within 48 hours. >> laetset's bring in mike viqu. we understand there have been meetings throughout the afternoon. >> reporter: the future of this bill, the
i'm richard lui, you're watching msnbc's continuing coverage of the fiscal cliff deal. eric cantor emerging from a meeting saying he does not support the senate-passed bill. house speaker bonn janer is not likely to bring the senate bill to the floor without changes is what we're hearing and in a statement boehner's spokesman said the speaker and leader laid out options to the members and listened to feedback. the lack of spending cuts in the senate bill was our universal concern amongst...
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deal aimed at at least portions of the fiscal cliff on overting tax hikes on middle income americas. they're still vague about delaying across-the-board spending cuts known as the sequester. stay with msnbc for more updates. now back to "hardball." >> let's dig into the turning points of general election. first up, the video that turned out to be the low point for the romney campaign. the candidates taped campaigns that half the americans are lazy. it's known as the 47% video. let's listen again. >> . >> never trust the caterers. anyway, republican national chairman committee man. i say that because i could not have been somebody who paid 1 $10,000 to go 234 there and then hurt the guy. >>> if u you're right about this election, it's the numbers. first of all, they occupy people. 1 pnt. all of the sudden, 1% became the thing to talk about. and then the 47% being anybody who's on any kind of government benefit program. whether it's disability or retirement or military or pension. everything was panted as bad. where did he get that number? >> well, look, you know, this election was all
deal aimed at at least portions of the fiscal cliff on overting tax hikes on middle income americas. they're still vague about delaying across-the-board spending cuts known as the sequester. stay with msnbc for more updates. now back to "hardball." >> let's dig into the turning points of general election. first up, the video that turned out to be the low point for the romney campaign. the candidates taped campaigns that half the americans are lazy. it's known as the 47% video....
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republicans say they would like to see any tax revenue that comes out of a fiscal cliff deal used to pay down our trillion dollars deficits. retiring republican senator from arizona, jon kyl, said the democrats want to spend $600 billion and he believes the new tax revenue will be about the same am. to he says not solving anything. for from senator to an today. >> raising taxes to pay for new spending is not something republicans believe this debate ought to be about. it ought to be about reducing the deficit and debt. they're suggesting we want new taxes, higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> republicans continue saying they're waiting for harry reid to make a counter offer. >> they're not making that tonight. he's told us that's not going to happen it but they're working on it. a sounds like a change of entitlement programs is irritating them. >> republicans created way of calculating inflation to lower payments to recipients of social security. the senate majority leader offered this update a short time ago. >>> i was really gratified to hear republica
republicans say they would like to see any tax revenue that comes out of a fiscal cliff deal used to pay down our trillion dollars deficits. retiring republican senator from arizona, jon kyl, said the democrats want to spend $600 billion and he believes the new tax revenue will be about the same am. to he says not solving anything. for from senator to an today. >> raising taxes to pay for new spending is not something republicans believe this debate ought to be about. it ought to be about...
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still no deal on the fiscal cliff. are the democrats and republicans too far apart at this point to reach a deal before midnight? i hope not. >> is the cliff armageddon for the defense department. what these defense cuts would mean for national security. >>> a health scare for hillary clinton. what doctors say happened and an update on her condition. >> i'm ali velshi. >> and i'm christine romans. >> and i'm dr. sanjay gupta. john and zoraida are both off. >>> millions of americans will countdown to a fiscal cliff. a development that could send the nation back to recession. yesterday, the two parties turned to their respective closers, vice president joe biden and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell to get a back door deal done. the republican is not giving up. >> i'm interested in getting a result here. willing to work with whoever can help. there is no single issue that remains an impossible sticking point. >> all right according to the president, there has always been and still is one big sticking point. raising
still no deal on the fiscal cliff. are the democrats and republicans too far apart at this point to reach a deal before midnight? i hope not. >> is the cliff armageddon for the defense department. what these defense cuts would mean for national security. >>> a health scare for hillary clinton. what doctors say happened and an update on her condition. >> i'm ali velshi. >> and i'm christine romans. >> and i'm dr. sanjay gupta. john and zoraida are both off....
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i don't think the fiscal cliff problem hit social security or medicare right away. they kind of sealed that off from se questions ration. but you mentioned unemployment before. there are a variety of other government programs that will be drastically cut back on tuesday morning if we don't get some kind of a deal by monday night. >> you know, ryan, when you look at -- when clarence was talking,ives looking and i think i have it. bills that republicans and congress have blocked this year. a bill that would have increased the minimum wage, a buffet rule bill, the employment, nondis crimination act that would have prohibited hiring people on the basis of sexual orientation. a u.n. treaty to protect the rights of disabled people around the world and the paycheck famous act so that women don't get paid less than men for doing the same job. i mean, there's been a variety of bills that they have seen not go past. they have actually stopped in a variety of ways that would have helped the american people. >> yeah, and you can throw the violence against women act, reauthoriza
i don't think the fiscal cliff problem hit social security or medicare right away. they kind of sealed that off from se questions ration. but you mentioned unemployment before. there are a variety of other government programs that will be drastically cut back on tuesday morning if we don't get some kind of a deal by monday night. >> you know, ryan, when you look at -- when clarence was talking,ives looking and i think i have it. bills that republicans and congress have blocked this year....
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with them right now the fiscal cliff is coming and we're all going to shoot off the fiscal cliff like thelma and louise and we're holding hands with grover norquist and everybody's crying mostly because the lose in the sixty six thunderbird to the grand canyon but the republicans even though they lost the election even though they lost seats in the house and lost seats in the senate they still refused to negotiate and they're being held hostage by their far right wing and that hasn't changed and it might might change next year but i don't i don't think so and loose with what about the polarization let's say in france right now after the election because the sitting president is not very popular right now. it's complicated because you you get a kind of windshield wiper effect in france you get one we can which the president sporty and the president himself are doing extremely badly for instance you have the steel works. with mr lakshmi mittal the fact that basically the president and the prime minister the minister for industry all had different theories about what to do and how to try
with them right now the fiscal cliff is coming and we're all going to shoot off the fiscal cliff like thelma and louise and we're holding hands with grover norquist and everybody's crying mostly because the lose in the sixty six thunderbird to the grand canyon but the republicans even though they lost the election even though they lost seats in the house and lost seats in the senate they still refused to negotiate and they're being held hostage by their far right wing and that hasn't changed...
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we can't go off the fiscal cliff. we have got to meet this deny. now what we're hearing, it is not that bad, we have time. >> what jessica said about the term paper, getting it done in time. you know what happens if you don't get it done in time? you get an f. and a lot of american voters are going to say an "f" to all the politicians if they don't get it done. look, i don't think it would be the end of the world if we go off the fiscal cliff. and it think it would be resolved in the weeks ahead. but this is kind of a black eye for the political system. here we are, two or three days ahead from the start of the year. without any american business investor, or worker, this just is not a very good way to run a country. and it is almost like banana republic politics. >> my dad used to say, no way to run a railroad. or government. let's talk about a couple of things, the whole idea that tax rates on everyone will go up. does the irs or the treasury department have the ability to sort of say look, here is some guidance? keep withholding where it is? >>
we can't go off the fiscal cliff. we have got to meet this deny. now what we're hearing, it is not that bad, we have time. >> what jessica said about the term paper, getting it done in time. you know what happens if you don't get it done in time? you get an f. and a lot of american voters are going to say an "f" to all the politicians if they don't get it done. look, i don't think it would be the end of the world if we go off the fiscal cliff. and it think it would be resolved...
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republicans to date, once the nation goes over the fiscal cliff, it's the democrats who could revolve. as soon as taxes go up tomorrow and republicans will be racing, democrats assume, will be racing to find a way to bring taxes down, and many democrats are of the opinion that that will give democrats enormous leverage come tomorrow. they'll have more negotiating power come tomorrow. you might see democrats tomorrow be even less willing to sign on to this deal. in 24 hours, democrats might like today's deal even less, wolf. >> it's getting more and more complicated as the delay continues over at the white house. are they at least suggesting that if we go over the cliff tomorrow, that there's still a possibility that both -- let's say the senate doesn't act tonight, that they act sometime tomorrow. they say they can still resolve this, so for practical purposes, the worst parts of this fiscal cliff won't be really felt by the american public? >> absolutely. the problems are not technical. in terms of putting off the taxation and what has to be done mechanically with the irs, so that am
republicans to date, once the nation goes over the fiscal cliff, it's the democrats who could revolve. as soon as taxes go up tomorrow and republicans will be racing, democrats assume, will be racing to find a way to bring taxes down, and many democrats are of the opinion that that will give democrats enormous leverage come tomorrow. they'll have more negotiating power come tomorrow. you might see democrats tomorrow be even less willing to sign on to this deal. in 24 hours, democrats might like...
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a senior democratic source saying the white house has a deal with republicans to avoid the fiscal cliff. a deal in the senate. however, there are still some questions about senate democrats which is why vice president biden s now and capitol hill we are told by sources to essentially get some of the liberal democrats to sign on to the deal avoiding the fiscal cliff. as you look live at the capitol dome, the light on top of the dome is lit because the congress s in session. but we haven't seen the piece of legislation move forward, the specifics. as you look live, vice president biden walked into the democratic caucus meeting there just beyond where the reporters are standing there by the microphones and said happy new year, happy new year, isn't it great that you all are here tonight. so what about this deal that is shaping up? the house will not be taking it up tonight. they have adjourned for the night and they will reconvene in 2013. actually you noon tomorrow the house will come back. essentially the u.s. will go over the fiscal cliff. but what about this deal that is shaping up and
a senior democratic source saying the white house has a deal with republicans to avoid the fiscal cliff. a deal in the senate. however, there are still some questions about senate democrats which is why vice president biden s now and capitol hill we are told by sources to essentially get some of the liberal democrats to sign on to the deal avoiding the fiscal cliff. as you look live at the capitol dome, the light on top of the dome is lit because the congress s in session. but we haven't seen...
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i think they are going to go over the cliff. the main objective obama had was not a fiscal one, it was political, to follow the victory in november by creating a civil war among republicans over the tax issue, which is exactly what happened. he said the 1 requirement i have for any deal is hiking tax rates. the reason that boehner was not able to do plan b was because it involved breaching the principle, which he did openly and said he was ready to do it. there were conservatives who would not do it. that is not a figure of the party that will be extremely hard to reconcile. if you can not, how you get a deal done before january 1? >> that is essentially the problem the president faced with boehner two years ago. last year. can he deliver? how can you negotiate with someone who cannot deliver on his side? >> you go to people for support, at least three of whom have lost their committee assignments. how can you expect them to come over to your way of thinking? >> they were crowing when john boehner went down, taking some delight,
i think they are going to go over the cliff. the main objective obama had was not a fiscal one, it was political, to follow the victory in november by creating a civil war among republicans over the tax issue, which is exactly what happened. he said the 1 requirement i have for any deal is hiking tax rates. the reason that boehner was not able to do plan b was because it involved breaching the principle, which he did openly and said he was ready to do it. there were conservatives who would not...
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now, is there a value to kicking the can down the road in avoiding the fiscal cliff? yes. but if they go over the cliff and then fix it in the next week with another stopgap, is there any real harm? who knows. if that make it is easier for republicans to vote for it, is it a disaster? probably not. but understand we had seven weeks in which we could have a done a big deal which would have gotten the debt under control, would have caused the economy to -- it would have been a catalyst to have this economy take off, and we blew it. we blew it. >> you know, governor dean, to that point here we are essentially looking over the abyss of the fiscal cliff, and i know you have said in the past let's just go over the cliff and start from scratch. do you still think that's the way to go? >> i do. actually, i hope they never come to a deal because this is the best deficit reduction package the democrats are ever going to get. but let's look at what really is going to happen here. i would be more surprised if they came to a deal in the next five days than i was by the roberts vote on
now, is there a value to kicking the can down the road in avoiding the fiscal cliff? yes. but if they go over the cliff and then fix it in the next week with another stopgap, is there any real harm? who knows. if that make it is easier for republicans to vote for it, is it a disaster? probably not. but understand we had seven weeks in which we could have a done a big deal which would have gotten the debt under control, would have caused the economy to -- it would have been a catalyst to have...
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democrats would point the finger at republicans for going over the fiscal cliff. >> that's been going on for a while as you well know, brianna, and as the president cuts his vacation short, we know what that means, are you cutting your working vacation short. >> i'll be back soon to see you. >> listening to those beautiful waves behind brianna. >> thank you. >> from brianna to rihanna, ahead on "starting point." rihanna and chris brown. what looks like more proof these two are back together again. >> a story trdrew has been watching very, very closely. >> you're watching "starting point" back after this. learnin, plus, in-branch seminars at over 500 locations, where our dedicated support teams help you know more so your money can do more. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. our teams have the information you want when you need it. it's another reason more investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. it's another reason more investors are saying... a hybrid? most are just no fun to drive. now, here's one that will make you feel alive. meet the five-p
democrats would point the finger at republicans for going over the fiscal cliff. >> that's been going on for a while as you well know, brianna, and as the president cuts his vacation short, we know what that means, are you cutting your working vacation short. >> i'll be back soon to see you. >> listening to those beautiful waves behind brianna. >> thank you. >> from brianna to rihanna, ahead on "starting point." rihanna and chris brown. what looks like...
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fiscal cliff gets closer. congress now has six days left to make a deal. >> aloha, hawaii. >> to my republican colleagues, the ronald reagan model is if you get 80% of what you want, that's a pretty good day. >> they were this close. they were this close to a solution. >> he's going to get tax rate hikes. >> are we going over the cliff? >> i believe we are. >> be republican and be conservative and pass a bill that cuts tax. >> boehner has no control over his extreme right wing faction. >> should anybody's taxes be raised at this point? answer yes or no. >> no. no. ♪ >> we begin as president obama and the senate head back to washington set for one last effort to avert the first fiscal cliff. aloha means good-bye for the president as he packs bound for the white house tonight. the president cutting short his vacation leaving michelle and the girls behind as he gets back to work to try to prevent tax increases and spending cuts due to begin next week. there's just one problem. it appears there would be no house
fiscal cliff gets closer. congress now has six days left to make a deal. >> aloha, hawaii. >> to my republican colleagues, the ronald reagan model is if you get 80% of what you want, that's a pretty good day. >> they were this close. they were this close to a solution. >> he's going to get tax rate hikes. >> are we going over the cliff? >> i believe we are. >> be republican and be conservative and pass a bill that cuts tax. >> boehner has no...
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they are waiting to reconvene to take up the fiscal cliff deal. after the gop meeting, we may learn when the house might vote on the deal and when republicans might amend it. house democrats are meeting on capitol hill with vice president joe biden. he is there to explain the deal he and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell brokered and that the senate approved. >>> the white house is keeping a close eye on today's developments in the house. stay with msnbc for more updates. and now back to hardball. >>> two steps forward, one step backward. let's play "hard ball." >> let me start this last night of the year with this, two steps forward, one step forward, that's the year if you look at it. so many good decisions as a society. we saw the angry faces of reaction to demographic change in the beginning. the people bringing guns to political events. the faces of hatred in the birther mularkey. the dog whistling whether it was about the president or his surrogate, susan rice. guess what? none of it worked. it just didn't. who would have known how powe
they are waiting to reconvene to take up the fiscal cliff deal. after the gop meeting, we may learn when the house might vote on the deal and when republicans might amend it. house democrats are meeting on capitol hill with vice president joe biden. he is there to explain the deal he and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell brokered and that the senate approved. >>> the white house is keeping a close eye on today's developments in the house. stay with msnbc for more updates. and now...
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where and when we could see trouble. >>> they left down without a deal on the fiscal cliff. when republicans and democrats get back to d.c. tomorrow, will they be able to compromise? we'll talk to nan hayworth, coming up. list of almost two thousand corporate partners - companies like microsoft, american red cross and adobe - to create options for you. not only that, we're using what we learn from these partners to shape our curriculum, so that when you find the job you want you'll be a perfect fit. let's get to work. i'm going to dream about that steak. i'm going to dream about that tiramisu. what a night, huh? but, um, can the test drive be over now? head back to the dealership? [ male announcer ] it's practically yours. but we still need your signature. volkswagen sign then drive is back. and it's never been easier to get a passat. that's the power of german engineering. get $0 down, $0 due at signing, $0 deposit, and $0 first month's payment on any new volkswagen. visit vwdealer.com today. i need you. i feel so alone. but you're not alone. i knew you'd come. like i could
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one reason we are in the fiscal cliff is because a deal was made in the summer of 2011. for the sequester and all of that. on the assumption, an assumption that republicans would win and wouldn't be an issue. if you look at the broadest vision of this, this is a race that republicans should have won. but i agree. the primary process, 20 debates that degraded and hurt the brand. not the best set of candidates. did not put shining good light on the party. certainly hurt the brand. that was a race that should have been won and wasn't. a lot of tactical and strategic errors. >> doug: 15 seconds. >> the most important moment of the 2012 race from the republican side came before a vote was cast, before much money was raised. that was the series of potentially good candidates who didn't end up running, whether john thune or jeb bush or mitch daniels or ryan or rubio. group of candidates that might have been able to carry a stronger message without being burdened by what nina is speaking about. >> doug: that is it for the panel. stave tuned to see one awesome, truly awesome grad
one reason we are in the fiscal cliff is because a deal was made in the summer of 2011. for the sequester and all of that. on the assumption, an assumption that republicans would win and wouldn't be an issue. if you look at the broadest vision of this, this is a race that republicans should have won. but i agree. the primary process, 20 debates that degraded and hurt the brand. not the best set of candidates. did not put shining good light on the party. certainly hurt the brand. that was a race...